A boy scouts program so boy scouts can hurt or kill terrorists and immigrants

I just read an article in the NY Times online about an explorer’s program for boy scouts in Southern California. It said that we could join them and they will teach us when and how to put on a gas mask correctly and how to shoot different guns. In the pictures it looked like there was at least a rifle, a pistol, and a shot gun. They are AirSoft guns so that means they are modified real guns that shoot plastic or rubber pellets and have 6mm of orange at the tip. I currently do not know how to shoot any guns so I thought about joining the program, except you would have to shoot at people and I don’t want to hurt or kill anyone. I started to wonder why other children wanted to hurt or kill people and all I saw was that one girl was attracted to the program because of the sound that the guns make and that they sound like real guns and that it gets her excited. But I also get excited by watching fireworks and going to a good movie and those don’t require hurting or killing other people, unless the firework exploded on the ground or a stunt went wrong in the movie, but those are called accidents and there aren’t any programs that teach people how to cause accidents.

Here the boy scouts learned to kill an immigrant in the Explorer's Program

Here the boy scouts learned to kill an immigrant in the Explorer's Program

I was a little confused why so many children would want to learn how to hurt or kill people. There was also a quote by a police officer that we should forget the injured and the dead. None of this really makes sense to me, even though we should listen to adults because they are wiser than children. But my parents said that sometimes some of my school teachers are wrong, so maybe the police officers are wrong about this stuff. I emailed one of the police officers because I was confused. This is what I wrote to him:

Dear Officer Dave Holetz,

I’m writing an essay for school on topics in the news and had some questions.

I just saw some pictures in the New York Times about the explorers program training children to battle terrorists and illegal immigrants. I think you were quoted with saying,

“Forget the injured, forget the dead,” Mr. Holletz advised the Explorers. “Accomplish your mission: terminate the shooter.”

I wonder how children can forget the injured and dead and just go on to make more people dead, as if that is the solution. I don’t really know too many people who have died, except my Aunt recently, so maybe I don’t understand. But when I think about my Aunt who died, I don’t want more people to die. I know that she didn’t get shot at or knifed like maybe the people that the explorers are supposed to kill, but at the same time it doesn’t make sense to me that we should forget about who was injured or died. It was kind of sad when my Aunt died for me, and really sad for mother. And I don’t want anyone to have to feel that sadness again. But that is the mission you send these children on, children like myself. Why do the children feel this way, like they have to kill people? I read that Cathy Noriega was attracted to the use of the guns and the noise that they make. Is this the reason?

Thank you very much for your time,
-Christopher M.

Then a couple days later he wrote me back. I don’t think he really answered my question as to why children wanted to be in this program. But because I am part of the general public (I think), he said that the boy scouts do things that I wouldn’t understand.


This is Agent D. Holetz, I believe I was misquoted or misunderstood as to what you might have read in the paper. During the Explorer Competition we hold annually in the Imperial Valley. The scenario that I was in charge of putting together was the ACTIVE SHOOTER scenario. This scenario is to simulate an individual(s) such as the columbine shooting. We as law enforcement learned from that, in that we need to respond to a situation like that quicker to save life’s.

It is not that we are to forget the dead or injured, we as first responders have to reach the shooter(s) as quick as possible and stop the threat so that more innocent individuals will not be hurt or killed.Yes I do teach my explorers that as a first responder to an ACTIVE SHOOTER it is a hard thing to do, but you must bypass a downed officer(s), downed civillian(s) and go directly to the shooter, and stop them from injuring or killing anyone else.

Agencies throughout the country train their officers the same way, I’m a little disturbed myself as being in the lifesaving and law enforcement business for approximately 15 years, that I was misquoted or misunderstood as saying that I am teaching young and up in coming kids that they are to forget the dead. THAT JUST IS NOT TRUE. We as law enforcement do things that the general public doesen’t understand. If you have any further questions or comments please fell free to contact me.

Thank You
Agent D. Holetz #904
Brawley Police Department

It was nice of Officer Dave Holetz to write back to me, even though he probably got a lot of emails since he was in the NY Times. I still don’t know whether I should listen to him even though he is an adult and they are wiser, but I still don’t want to hurt or kill people (even if Officer Dave Holetz told me to).

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  1. Sunny
    Posted May 27, 2009 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Dave spelled a lot of things wrong.

  2. Kat
    Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Hey Christopher, your drawing is kind of frightening.

  3. Josh
    Posted July 29, 2009 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    I was an explorer under Dave Holetz, and I don’t want to kill people. To even become an explorer you have to pass a background check, so it’s not like anyone can join. And from what I remember most of the kids in our post were pursuing careers in law enforecment. In that particular scenario he is correct and if you would do you’r research on active shooters or school shootings and police tactics in those situations you would find that Agent Holetz’s statments are what any other S.W.A.T team’s goals would be for that particular situation. Also during training we used red guns, which are the same weight as the real thing but solid plastic.

  4. Ben
    Posted August 20, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Holetz is a bada$$.

  5. Mia
    Posted October 25, 2009 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Christopher – There is nothing “wise” about people wanting to hurt other people, whether they are adults or children. From what i read above, you are the wisest person on this page as you respect and care for other people. Your wisdom is the kind of wisdom that will save this world, for we are all one.


  6. Posted February 18, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    this is the dumbest massage about the boy scouts of America ever. they don’t know anything about the program. most of theses kids cant even lift a gun let alone kill someone

  7. violet
    Posted March 22, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Why the fuck are white people so messed up to mexicans i mean what did they ever do to u?i mean white people really pis me off cuz they are retarded.

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